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	<title>Comments on: Replacing People Is Expensive</title>
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	<description>Hiring technical people and being hired can be difficult, no matter what the economy is doing. Use the tips here to hire better, or find a new job.</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Grossberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Grossberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that anyone who says books are &quot;too expensive&quot; is making the mistake of viewing them as an expense instead of an investment.

If that $40 book saves you one hour of work, just once, it has paid for itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that anyone who says books are &#8220;too expensive&#8221; is making the mistake of viewing them as an expense instead of an investment.</p>
<p>If that $40 book saves you one hour of work, just once, it has paid for itself.</p>
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		<title>By: rw2</title>
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		<dc:creator>rw2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Good recruiters cost more out-of-pocket money, but are worth their cost if they bring you candidates that fit the role&quot;

There is an important qualifier missing.

&quot;Good recruiters cost more out-of-pocket money, but are worth their cost if they bring you candidates that fit the role better than you would have been able to yourself&quot;

1) I&#039;ve worked with some hiring managers that can run a hiring program better than most recruiters.

2) I&#039;ve met others who, frankly, suck.

3) I&#039;ve met recruiters who are quite extraordinary.  One place I worked brought their cost per hire down from 12K to 2.5K and increased customer satisfaction at the same time.

4) I&#039;ve met recruiters who went into the field because they couldn&#039;t find work anywhere else.

Manager 1 can tell who recruiter 4 is.  But may not need recruiter 3.  He&#039;ll hire him only if the opportunity cost of doing the recruiting himself is higher than the fee recruiter 3 is charging.  For technical people that&#039;s going to be 8-15K so Manager 1 has to save a heck of a lot of time before that makes sense.

Manager 2 can&#039;t tell the different between recruiters 3 and 4 (which is why recruiter 4 can pay his mortgage).  So it&#039;s going to be a crap shoot as to whether he gets value out of the arrangement.

There is a real problem in recruiting.  It&#039;s an industry of used car salesmen that doesn&#039;t do very much meaningful to clean itself up.  So even when I turn to recruiters it takes a while to find a good one.  Last time I had to interview 8 before other managers got bored, hired one against my wishes and she didn&#039;t work out.  Since then I&#039;ve run my own searches (thanks to experience I gained working around the folks mentioned in (3) and done way better, for way less money with no material impact on my time.

Not everyone has the background to do that.  But, to finally bring this rant back around, the closing sentence of the post is still a bit simplistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Good recruiters cost more out-of-pocket money, but are worth their cost if they bring you candidates that fit the role&#8221;</p>
<p>There is an important qualifier missing.</p>
<p>&#8220;Good recruiters cost more out-of-pocket money, but are worth their cost if they bring you candidates that fit the role better than you would have been able to yourself&#8221;</p>
<p>1) I&#8217;ve worked with some hiring managers that can run a hiring program better than most recruiters.</p>
<p>2) I&#8217;ve met others who, frankly, suck.</p>
<p>3) I&#8217;ve met recruiters who are quite extraordinary.  One place I worked brought their cost per hire down from 12K to 2.5K and increased customer satisfaction at the same time.</p>
<p>4) I&#8217;ve met recruiters who went into the field because they couldn&#8217;t find work anywhere else.</p>
<p>Manager 1 can tell who recruiter 4 is.  But may not need recruiter 3.  He&#8217;ll hire him only if the opportunity cost of doing the recruiting himself is higher than the fee recruiter 3 is charging.  For technical people that&#8217;s going to be 8-15K so Manager 1 has to save a heck of a lot of time before that makes sense.</p>
<p>Manager 2 can&#8217;t tell the different between recruiters 3 and 4 (which is why recruiter 4 can pay his mortgage).  So it&#8217;s going to be a crap shoot as to whether he gets value out of the arrangement.</p>
<p>There is a real problem in recruiting.  It&#8217;s an industry of used car salesmen that doesn&#8217;t do very much meaningful to clean itself up.  So even when I turn to recruiters it takes a while to find a good one.  Last time I had to interview 8 before other managers got bored, hired one against my wishes and she didn&#8217;t work out.  Since then I&#8217;ve run my own searches (thanks to experience I gained working around the folks mentioned in (3) and done way better, for way less money with no material impact on my time.</p>
<p>Not everyone has the background to do that.  But, to finally bring this rant back around, the closing sentence of the post is still a bit simplistic.</p>
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