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	<title>Comments on: Schedule Game #3: Bring Me a Rock</title>
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		<title>By: John Rusk</title>
		<link>http://www.jrothman.com/blog/mpd/2005/04/schedule-game-3-bring-me-a-rock.html/comment-page-1#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>John Rusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2005 13:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really must read that book sometime - it crops up a lot on on-line discussions.  I&#039;m already in the habit of disclosing my own interests, as you describe, and it does help.  Must read the book one day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really must read that book sometime &#8211; it crops up a lot on on-line discussions.  I&#8217;m already in the habit of disclosing my own interests, as you describe, and it does help.  Must read the book one day!</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg Colson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Colson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a negotiation...As Roger Fisher and William Ury suggest in their best-selling book &quot;Getting to Yes&quot; that understanding the interests that lie behind the request is key. Without understanding the interests, there is little option for mutual gain. It becomes a battle of wills and power - senior management usually wins because they have more power. But if we take the time to ask &quot;Why do you want it then&quot; or &quot;Why not...&quot; then we can uncover the real needs driving the request. It&#039;s equally important to disclose your interests (keeping on track, not dooming yourself and the project from the start) so that don&#039;t perceive it as pushback, but rather as an interest in seeing success. Uncovering interests is key to getting buy-in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a negotiation&#8230;As Roger Fisher and William Ury suggest in their best-selling book &#8220;Getting to Yes&#8221; that understanding the interests that lie behind the request is key. Without understanding the interests, there is little option for mutual gain. It becomes a battle of wills and power &#8211; senior management usually wins because they have more power. But if we take the time to ask &#8220;Why do you want it then&#8221; or &#8220;Why not&#8230;&#8221; then we can uncover the real needs driving the request. It&#8217;s equally important to disclose your interests (keeping on track, not dooming yourself and the project from the start) so that don&#8217;t perceive it as pushback, but rather as an interest in seeing success. Uncovering interests is key to getting buy-in.</p>
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		<title>By: John Rusk</title>
		<link>http://www.jrothman.com/blog/mpd/2005/04/schedule-game-3-bring-me-a-rock.html/comment-page-1#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>John Rusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opps, comment got chopped off.  Here&#039;s the rest:
... versus the consequences and (lower) costs of an alternative solution and the customer made a choice.
In summary, I&#039;m suggesting that when people ask us to fetch rocks they don&#039;t necessary understand the options that exist, and the consequences of those options.  Managers can&#039;t read our minds, and often its only us - the technical people - who know those things. When faced with a &quot;bad&quot; request from a decision maker, it helps if we can assist them to better understand their choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps, comment got chopped off.  Here&#8217;s the rest:<br />
&#8230; versus the consequences and (lower) costs of an alternative solution and the customer made a choice.<br />
In summary, I&#8217;m suggesting that when people ask us to fetch rocks they don&#8217;t necessary understand the options that exist, and the consequences of those options.  Managers can&#8217;t read our minds, and often its only us &#8211; the technical people &#8211; who know those things. When faced with a &#8220;bad&#8221; request from a decision maker, it helps if we can assist them to better understand their choices.</p>
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		<title>By: John Rusk</title>
		<link>http://www.jrothman.com/blog/mpd/2005/04/schedule-game-3-bring-me-a-rock.html/comment-page-1#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>John Rusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2005 05:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Johanna,
I think we can do more than just ask questions like &quot;Would you like X or Y?&quot;.  Instead of just asking decision makers to choose, we can explain the consequences of their choices - since often they don&#039;t know what those consequences are.  This ties in with you comment about needing to know the the strategic goals.
For instance, a customer recently asked me for a browser-based application.  The catch was, we could develop the functionalty much more quickly if it wasn&#039;t browser-based.  Furthermore, the underlying (unstated) goal was not a browser solution itself, but simply ease of deployment.  So we proposed options: the consequences and costs of the browser solution versus the consequen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Johanna,<br />
I think we can do more than just ask questions like &#8220;Would you like X or Y?&#8221;.  Instead of just asking decision makers to choose, we can explain the consequences of their choices &#8211; since often they don&#8217;t know what those consequences are.  This ties in with you comment about needing to know the the strategic goals.<br />
For instance, a customer recently asked me for a browser-based application.  The catch was, we could develop the functionalty much more quickly if it wasn&#8217;t browser-based.  Furthermore, the underlying (unstated) goal was not a browser solution itself, but simply ease of deployment.  So we proposed options: the consequences and costs of the browser solution versus the consequen</p>
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		<title>By: Skip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 01:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great series!  Keep them coming!  It&#039;s such a small world when you realize that others see some of the same patterns on projects as you have.
P.S. I posted a reference to this series on my site, but for some reason the trackback on your site isn&#039;t picking it up.  Not sure if it is a problem on your site or mine.  Just thought you should know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great series!  Keep them coming!  It&#8217;s such a small world when you realize that others see some of the same patterns on projects as you have.<br />
P.S. I posted a reference to this series on my site, but for some reason the trackback on your site isn&#8217;t picking it up.  Not sure if it is a problem on your site or mine.  Just thought you should know.</p>
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