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	<title>Comments on: Plunge In or Dip Your Toe? (for Managers)</title>
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	<description>Management, especially good management, is hard to do. This blog is for people who want to think about how they manage people, projects, and risk.</description>
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		<title>By: Agile Adoption – don’t bite off more than you can chew &#124; SlapFu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agile Adoption – don’t bite off more than you can chew &#124; SlapFu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] understands this, and has written a superb series of posts discussing the difference between adoption of agile thinking at different levels within an organisation. Although a boots-n-all approach works best for a single [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 随机记事 &#187; 敏捷实施：项目级别照单全收，组织级别循序渐进</title>
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		<dc:creator>随机记事 &#187; 敏捷实施：项目级别照单全收，组织级别循序渐进</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 不久之后，Rothman又在她的第三篇博文中对于组织级别的敏捷运用给出了与之前不同的观点。她建议管理者们采用一种更加循序渐进的方式来改变整个组织的行政结构： 对于一个组织而言，转而运用敏捷不是一个简单的问题。最先要关注的是项目。第一步就是项目组合。接着真正困难的工作就来了:人力系统就是下一步。一旦人力 系统又重新可以帮助你的员工了，你就可以考虑改变薪酬系统了。（我的一个客户尝试先改变薪酬系统，但这行不通。薪酬和人力系统之间需要一些互相迁就和妥 协。） [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 不久之后，Rothman又在她的第三篇博文中对于组织级别的敏捷运用给出了与之前不同的观点。她建议管理者们采用一种更加循序渐进的方式来改变整个组织的行政结构： 对于一个组织而言，转而运用敏捷不是一个简单的问题。最先要关注的是项目。第一步就是项目组合。接着真正困难的工作就来了:人力系统就是下一步。一旦人力 系统又重新可以帮助你的员工了，你就可以考虑改变薪酬系统了。（我的一个客户尝试先改变薪酬系统，但这行不通。薪酬和人力系统之间需要一些互相迁就和妥 协。） [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Berg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jim Ward.  How long have we been practising continuous build (we called it nightly build), bring in QA early in a project, code reviews, and spiral project management???  Isn&#039;t agile just a new name for my ol&#039; dog?

However, I will say this...agile, ultra-light startups, use of open source, crowd sourcing, and the change I see in early stage funding that now requires SOME level of working product and a few customers before getting dollars all point to a new model that has elements of Complex Adaptive Systems - I&#039;ve seen Jim Highsmith &amp; Tom DeMarco (Yourdon too, maybe) notice this as well....I think this is where the real innovation is happening - the old managed/controlled/top down approach to software engineering is being surplanted by something much looser, much more collaborative, much closer to managing chaos, than what us older heads were used to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jim Ward.  How long have we been practising continuous build (we called it nightly build), bring in QA early in a project, code reviews, and spiral project management???  Isn&#8217;t agile just a new name for my ol&#8217; dog?</p>
<p>However, I will say this&#8230;agile, ultra-light startups, use of open source, crowd sourcing, and the change I see in early stage funding that now requires SOME level of working product and a few customers before getting dollars all point to a new model that has elements of Complex Adaptive Systems &#8211; I&#8217;ve seen Jim Highsmith &amp; Tom DeMarco (Yourdon too, maybe) notice this as well&#8230;.I think this is where the real innovation is happening &#8211; the old managed/controlled/top down approach to software engineering is being surplanted by something much looser, much more collaborative, much closer to managing chaos, than what us older heads were used to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The things you recommend are just good management. They are not unique to the agile environment. The things you describe as &quot;nuts&quot; are counter-productive in any project environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The things you recommend are just good management. They are not unique to the agile environment. The things you describe as &#8220;nuts&#8221; are counter-productive in any project environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Daily Links for Wednesday, July 22th, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily Links for Wednesday, July 22th, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Managing Product Development » Plunge In or Dip Your Toe? (for Managers) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: abby, the hacker chick blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>abby, the hacker chick blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! It&#039;s so nice to hear people considering how agile effects the whole organization, not just the individual development teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! It&#8217;s so nice to hear people considering how agile effects the whole organization, not just the individual development teams.</p>
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