I had fun with Ian Gill on his Agility by Nature podcast: A Conversation with Johanna Rothman about the Modern Management Made Easy books.
We laughed a lot. (Partly at me. I am the Queen of the Career-Limiting Conversation.)
We spoke a lot about what managers can do in practice as opposed to theory. And we discussed the fact that management differs from technical work in many ways.
Ian was a terrific interviewer and asked me probing questions. You will enjoy this one.
Ian and I laughed and commiserated about the many myths in the Modern Management Made Easy books. Enjoy!